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Guest
Guest,
i am afraid that iny tim needs to get away from the little details...did you tt in your calculation use 3.4 " tube or 1.2" ..what settings have you allowed for the pessure switch on the bomba..what equipment did you allow for in your calculation rainbird..hunter...my point is that really all this detail is unnecessary...look at the bigger picture.
Guest, this was meant to maybe make you think of the larger picture (and a small bit of it), i.e. what it takes to maintain a golf course. The green color you see is not only a function of the water issue, an issue (notice I didn’t say “the issue”) you seem to be concerned with in this thread, but with a whole lot of other factors one cannot fathom as a lay person who has not had scientific training at qualified universities dealing with the care and maintenance of golf courses.
These are not a bunch of Bill Murray’s in their caddyshacks playing with gophers and smoking a little hooch. These people are entrusted with a big responsibility to provide a playable golf course under financial budgets, hence they must only use what is the minimum. I find they do have a deep seeded environmental awareness to that which they are stewarding. For the most part, say 90% and growing, these are switched on university-trained people who understand the vital role of water in the plants’ physiological process, along with other factors like soil drainage, soil physics, soil microbiology, to name a few.
And I can assure you I can see both the small details and large picture of golf courses, and not since this thread started....
if the irrigation water was turned off at these golf courses or for that matter any of these super "green paradise" resorts ..like the one plaaned for a 1000 villas..how long would they last.. a week...10 days???'
The one’s planted to warm season grasses would survive, they’d enter a sort of dormant state.
or judging my your arguements...i suppose you will want to know the make and specifiation of my watch..
Guest, any old one that keeps time is fine. As long as its not some '69 issue Timex...
i am afraid tiny tim that you cannot see the grass for the grassblades
I’ll let that be your opinion.
i am afraid that iny tim needs to get away from the little details...did you tt in your calculation use 3.4 " tube or 1.2" ..what settings have you allowed for the pessure switch on the bomba..what equipment did you allow for in your calculation rainbird..hunter...my point is that really all this detail is unnecessary...look at the bigger picture.
Guest, this was meant to maybe make you think of the larger picture (and a small bit of it), i.e. what it takes to maintain a golf course. The green color you see is not only a function of the water issue, an issue (notice I didn’t say “the issue”) you seem to be concerned with in this thread, but with a whole lot of other factors one cannot fathom as a lay person who has not had scientific training at qualified universities dealing with the care and maintenance of golf courses.
These are not a bunch of Bill Murray’s in their caddyshacks playing with gophers and smoking a little hooch. These people are entrusted with a big responsibility to provide a playable golf course under financial budgets, hence they must only use what is the minimum. I find they do have a deep seeded environmental awareness to that which they are stewarding. For the most part, say 90% and growing, these are switched on university-trained people who understand the vital role of water in the plants’ physiological process, along with other factors like soil drainage, soil physics, soil microbiology, to name a few.
And I can assure you I can see both the small details and large picture of golf courses, and not since this thread started....
if the irrigation water was turned off at these golf courses or for that matter any of these super "green paradise" resorts ..like the one plaaned for a 1000 villas..how long would they last.. a week...10 days???'
The one’s planted to warm season grasses would survive, they’d enter a sort of dormant state.
or judging my your arguements...i suppose you will want to know the make and specifiation of my watch..
Guest, any old one that keeps time is fine. As long as its not some '69 issue Timex...
i am afraid tiny tim that you cannot see the grass for the grassblades
I’ll let that be your opinion.
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Guest
when you say dormant..you mean brown...does that appeal to golfer ..brown fairways
i am afraid you seem to take the golf industries side...have you considered other interests..for example..a friend who had a borehole next to carvoeiro golf found that once theirs came into operation his went dry..
he has no mains water and has two children...thus we have the odd state that within 200 metres of his house he can see water jets pumping water on to lurid green areas while his family have no water supply except by buying water via water tanker
i suppose you will no want to ask the depth of his hole....does he use grundfos pumps.
simply stated golf courses are great where there is a plentiful supply of rain..but here in the summer past we didnt have rain for 4 months...only by their deluging them with water can they survive.
i suppose where you live in surrey such matters are of little concern.
here every drop counts!!
i am afraid you seem to take the golf industries side...have you considered other interests..for example..a friend who had a borehole next to carvoeiro golf found that once theirs came into operation his went dry..
he has no mains water and has two children...thus we have the odd state that within 200 metres of his house he can see water jets pumping water on to lurid green areas while his family have no water supply except by buying water via water tanker
i suppose you will no want to ask the depth of his hole....does he use grundfos pumps.
simply stated golf courses are great where there is a plentiful supply of rain..but here in the summer past we didnt have rain for 4 months...only by their deluging them with water can they survive.
i suppose where you live in surrey such matters are of little concern.
here every drop counts!!
Guest,
when you say dormant..you mean brown...does that appeal to golfer ..brown fairways
The color will not be green, neither brown, just off-green. While green is a nice color, golf is played off a surface quality above all and not a color.
i am afraid you seem to take the golf industries side...have you considered other interests..for example..a friend who had a borehole next to carvoeiro golf found that once theirs came into operation his went dry..
he has no mains water and has two children...thus we have the odd state that within 200 metres of his house he can see water jets pumping water on to lurid green areas while his family have no water supply except by buying water via water tanker
First let me say I take the side of offering another viewpoint that is based on using non-emotive research and findings.
Now let me understand this, help me get my head around this. Your friend had his own borehole before Pestana Golf (or is it Val de Mihlo golf?) was built, correct? The golf course drilled their own borehole, correct? Once the golf course became operational your friend’s borehole dried up. From your statement it seems you are inferring that the borehole from the golf course has dried up your friends borehole because his went dry when the courses became operational, the use of golf course irrigation via their borehole siphoning away water from your friends borehole, correct? Now the golf course(s) must be 10 years old now.
Guest, can you explain after 10 years how your friend’s dry bore hole has kept the borehole to the golf course alimented to a point that they can pump onto the golf course??? Or have I missed the point?
i suppose you will no want to ask the depth of his hole....does he use grundfos pumps.
That would be interesting, depths, and how far your friends borehole was to the golf courses borehole and their respective depths? Maybe this could glean a little more information to the borehole mystery????……The pumps, Grundfos or Flowtronix, no great shakes.
simply stated golf courses are great where there is a plentiful supply of rain..but here in the summer past we didnt have rain for 4 months...only by their deluging them with water can they survive.
Guest again words like “deluging”, “vast” are a bit emotive and do not give an accurate account of water useage. You’ve got to focus the human mind in such debates or the human mind will run rampant with wild thoughts and inaccuracies.
i suppose where you live in surrey such matters are of little concern.
here every drop counts!!
Well it counts here too in all of England where there has been an extended drought too, and not only this summer too (and spring).
when you say dormant..you mean brown...does that appeal to golfer ..brown fairways
The color will not be green, neither brown, just off-green. While green is a nice color, golf is played off a surface quality above all and not a color.
i am afraid you seem to take the golf industries side...have you considered other interests..for example..a friend who had a borehole next to carvoeiro golf found that once theirs came into operation his went dry..
he has no mains water and has two children...thus we have the odd state that within 200 metres of his house he can see water jets pumping water on to lurid green areas while his family have no water supply except by buying water via water tanker
First let me say I take the side of offering another viewpoint that is based on using non-emotive research and findings.
Now let me understand this, help me get my head around this. Your friend had his own borehole before Pestana Golf (or is it Val de Mihlo golf?) was built, correct? The golf course drilled their own borehole, correct? Once the golf course became operational your friend’s borehole dried up. From your statement it seems you are inferring that the borehole from the golf course has dried up your friends borehole because his went dry when the courses became operational, the use of golf course irrigation via their borehole siphoning away water from your friends borehole, correct? Now the golf course(s) must be 10 years old now.
Guest, can you explain after 10 years how your friend’s dry bore hole has kept the borehole to the golf course alimented to a point that they can pump onto the golf course??? Or have I missed the point?
i suppose you will no want to ask the depth of his hole....does he use grundfos pumps.
That would be interesting, depths, and how far your friends borehole was to the golf courses borehole and their respective depths? Maybe this could glean a little more information to the borehole mystery????……The pumps, Grundfos or Flowtronix, no great shakes.
simply stated golf courses are great where there is a plentiful supply of rain..but here in the summer past we didnt have rain for 4 months...only by their deluging them with water can they survive.
Guest again words like “deluging”, “vast” are a bit emotive and do not give an accurate account of water useage. You’ve got to focus the human mind in such debates or the human mind will run rampant with wild thoughts and inaccuracies.
i suppose where you live in surrey such matters are of little concern.
here every drop counts!!
Well it counts here too in all of England where there has been an extended drought too, and not only this summer too (and spring).
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Guest
yes the bore hole went dry a year after the golf course became operational.....i understand that their boreholes (pestanta) have now gone salty.
if golfers are not worreid about the colour of the fairways..well that is good news...i suppose it means that they will not in future being using so much water.
if golfers are not worreid about the colour of the fairways..well that is good news...i suppose it means that they will not in future being using so much water.
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Guest
Guest,
yes the bore hole went dry a year after the golf course became operational.....i understand that their boreholes (pestanta) have now gone salty.
So how has the golf course been able to irrigate itself for nine years from your friend’s dry borehole, the borehole that went dry providing water to the golf course borehole?
if golfers are not worreid about the colour of the fairways..well that is good news...i suppose it means that they will not in future being using so much water.
You can be sure the golf industry, through research and development, is looking for ways to reduce even further water consumption. It’s in their interest too, if you can believe that.
have you tiny tim in your calculations also include water consumption in all the areas that surround the golf course..ie the clubhouse. the offices.the houses..
Guest , as I mentioned I gave consumption figures for the average Algarve golf course in the maximum consumption range in the summer. You could however do some maths as you said you have a 15m2 patch of lawn that you irrigate. Calculate how much water you are applying per hour and multiply by the surface area of the lawned areas you are curious about. That’ll give you a good idea, but remember to take into consideration all those agronomic factors I mentioned in the previous thread.
yes the bore hole went dry a year after the golf course became operational.....i understand that their boreholes (pestanta) have now gone salty.
So how has the golf course been able to irrigate itself for nine years from your friend’s dry borehole, the borehole that went dry providing water to the golf course borehole?
if golfers are not worreid about the colour of the fairways..well that is good news...i suppose it means that they will not in future being using so much water.
You can be sure the golf industry, through research and development, is looking for ways to reduce even further water consumption. It’s in their interest too, if you can believe that.
have you tiny tim in your calculations also include water consumption in all the areas that surround the golf course..ie the clubhouse. the offices.the houses..
Guest , as I mentioned I gave consumption figures for the average Algarve golf course in the maximum consumption range in the summer. You could however do some maths as you said you have a 15m2 patch of lawn that you irrigate. Calculate how much water you are applying per hour and multiply by the surface area of the lawned areas you are curious about. That’ll give you a good idea, but remember to take into consideration all those agronomic factors I mentioned in the previous thread.
I dont get this bore hole debate, you make it sound like the bore hole from Pestana made its way across to "the friends" bore hole and used his water 
If both holes drill into the same underground deposit, they will start using that water. The water level will drop if it does not get replenished and the shallower hole runs dry quicker. When close to the coastline, seawater can then replace this sweet water if/when it drops away far enough.
In Vale d'el Rei the sweet water is found further and further away from the cosatline - the holes closest either running dry or spitting sea water.
No golf courses there, just an increasing number of houses, each with a bore hole as there are no mains.
If the result of maybe a hundred domestic holes is a complete loss of fresh water up to 3 kms from the coastline, the consumption of a single golf course bore hole will surely have a devastating effect on the level of ground water in that area. Pestana has 2 courses to water at Carvoeiro Golf.
If both holes drill into the same underground deposit, they will start using that water. The water level will drop if it does not get replenished and the shallower hole runs dry quicker. When close to the coastline, seawater can then replace this sweet water if/when it drops away far enough.
In Vale d'el Rei the sweet water is found further and further away from the cosatline - the holes closest either running dry or spitting sea water.
No golf courses there, just an increasing number of houses, each with a bore hole as there are no mains.
If the result of maybe a hundred domestic holes is a complete loss of fresh water up to 3 kms from the coastline, the consumption of a single golf course bore hole will surely have a devastating effect on the level of ground water in that area. Pestana has 2 courses to water at Carvoeiro Golf.
Gambrinus
If both holes drill into the same underground deposit, they will start using that water. The water level will drop if it does not get replenished and the shallower hole runs dry quicker. When close to the coastline, seawater can then replace this sweet water if/when it drops away far enough.
Precisely why I have asked guest the depth of his friends bore hole and the golf course borehole, plus their location, to see if there is any coorelation between the two in terms of being on the same aquifier.
If both holes drill into the same underground deposit, they will start using that water. The water level will drop if it does not get replenished and the shallower hole runs dry quicker. When close to the coastline, seawater can then replace this sweet water if/when it drops away far enough.
Precisely why I have asked guest the depth of his friends bore hole and the golf course borehole, plus their location, to see if there is any coorelation between the two in terms of being on the same aquifier.
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Ellie
No Handicap
Oh---I dont know Fifi---they'll probably have strong arms(all that swinging) --sturdy legs----- good "sense of direction"-----good grip-----all of which is adding up pretty well mmm 
--- What am I doing Sticking up for golfers-----men only of course---- 
and he's offering lessons----will you be able to resist Hi, Fifi--or are your expectations Hi--gher
--- What am I doing Sticking up for golfers-----men only of course---- and he's offering lessons----will you be able to resist Hi, Fifi--or are your expectations Hi--gher
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Guest
in an earlier posting you claim (from what source?) that a course uses 2.8 m litres per day
ok let us assume you are correct....on an average daily human consumption of 150 litres per day..that works out equal to a town of 18666.6 people... i have just checked and counted 28 golf courses in the algarve (ignored eg academy at penena plus other annexes)
that means that these golf courses are using water equal to 522648 people
(last time i heard the permanent population of the algarve was approx 300000)...also with this there is in approx 150 km of algarve coast we now have a golf course on average every 5.35 km.
well i think the portuguese word "chega" sums it up!
ok let us assume you are correct....on an average daily human consumption of 150 litres per day..that works out equal to a town of 18666.6 people... i have just checked and counted 28 golf courses in the algarve (ignored eg academy at penena plus other annexes)
that means that these golf courses are using water equal to 522648 people
(last time i heard the permanent population of the algarve was approx 300000)...also with this there is in approx 150 km of algarve coast we now have a golf course on average every 5.35 km.
well i think the portuguese word "chega" sums it up!