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the last case of rabies in portugal was 1926......also what a shame the police dont go rushing every time an animal is beaten by humans....for example I know of a case of one man having sex with his dog,..or another picking his dog and hitting against a lixo bin.....others starved....never mind also about circus animals ...bears in cages they cant even turn around in...yes indeed what a shame the police dont draw their weapons against these people who should know the difference (unlike an animal) between right and wrong
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nightrider
Anonymous wrote:the last case of rabies in portugal was 1926......also what a shame the police dont go rushing every time an animal is beaten by humans....for example I know of a case of one man having sex with his dog,..or another picking his dog and hitting against a lixo bin.....others starved....never mind also about circus animals ...bears in cages they cant even turn around in...yes indeed what a shame the police dont draw their weapons against these people who should know the difference (unlike an animal) between right and wrong
Hi Guest,
You have my 101% support.
Kind regards
Nightrider
Hi nightrider, we have been informed by our solicitor, she gave us a very useful information pamphlet, that German Shepherds (along with a whole list of other dogs) comes under the dangerous dogs category in Portugal and according to legislation must be kept on a short leash & muzzled at all times in public places.I know you have GSD's can you tell me what constitutes a public place? If I take my dogs for a walk in the woods or on common land does this constitute a public place? My dogs have never been muzzled, but they have been attacked by a group of other dogs before (3 border collies & a mongrel), if that happened again & my dogs were muzzled they would be unable to defend themselves.
Hi Blue,
I have never heard that information but it could be true. Portugal has a lot of rules that no one takes any notice of.
I see a GSD sitting on the grass outside a block of apartments in Lagoa on his own most days quite happily and I see a Portuguese guy in Silves walking near the town with his GSD without a lead and certainly no muzzle. The problem in Portugal is they consider GSD and similar types of big dog only as guard dogs and not as pets. I think they are horrified when they see that I let my GSD sleep at the bottom of my bed and go where she likes. She is a sweetie but they don't understand that.
I have never muzzled my GSD but I always have her on a lead when I am out and about or going to the vet. Where I live there is plenty of land and countryside, so I am lucky, as she has plenty of areas to exercise. I personally have only had trouble with little yappy dogs here trying to bite my ankles.
I have never heard that information but it could be true. Portugal has a lot of rules that no one takes any notice of.
I see a GSD sitting on the grass outside a block of apartments in Lagoa on his own most days quite happily and I see a Portuguese guy in Silves walking near the town with his GSD without a lead and certainly no muzzle. The problem in Portugal is they consider GSD and similar types of big dog only as guard dogs and not as pets. I think they are horrified when they see that I let my GSD sleep at the bottom of my bed and go where she likes. She is a sweetie but they don't understand that.
I have never muzzled my GSD but I always have her on a lead when I am out and about or going to the vet. Where I live there is plenty of land and countryside, so I am lucky, as she has plenty of areas to exercise. I personally have only had trouble with little yappy dogs here trying to bite my ankles.
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nightrider
Hi Blue,
Any chance you could supply the "Title" and any helpful description of the pamphelt (they normally put on something like Modelo No......on their forms and/or similiar) that you refer to with regard the dangerious dogs list etc..Thank you.
Regards
Nightrider
Any chance you could supply the "Title" and any helpful description of the pamphelt (they normally put on something like Modelo No......on their forms and/or similiar) that you refer to with regard the dangerious dogs list etc..Thank you.
Regards
Nightrider
Last edited by nightrider on Tue Nov 08, 2005 12:55 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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nightrider
Hi Blue,
Firstly, you refer to a solicitor...do you mean a lawyer (advogado)! A solicidor here is merely a conveyancer. A lawyer (barrister) is also a solictor in Portugal.
Secondly Bruxy's comments totally agree with.
Thirdly, you have brought up a very valid question.
There is a list of dangerious dogs in Portugal, but like so many things here nobody seems to know which breeds are on the list.
Very rarely have I seen a dog muzzled out here, but that does not mean to say that there is not a law for such! More so given the amount of stray dogs..one can only but wonder how Portugal enforces such a law
In so far as GS dogs go...nearly every police force and arm services use them and therefore, this breed in total was exempt from the legal regulations in the D.Dogs Act in the UK and I thought most others!
Personally, we never take our GS's out into a public place, namely because of the poor strays...i.e. if they were to pack up on our dogs..our dogs would go in and because of their breed...if a disturbance caused no doubt would be blamed and we are not prepared to take that risk.
We live in the heart of the countryside and walk Yogi and Zoe on leads, but have never muzzled them. We keep them on leads,because of sheep and the beautiful people who have nothing better to do than lay poison down. I have also heard cases in urban areas, where they lay it around grass verges and dustbin areas. The animals die in absolute agony.
One of the first jobs we had done...was to fence all our land and gated...Yogi and Zoe are only permitted to eat grass on our land and only leave via car.
I have put a call out with regard your question and as soon I receive a response, I will post it. I.e. I am of course also very interested in what the reply will be.
We are having problems today, it would appear with the server..so my postings will be more scatter........ then ever
Regards
Nightrider
Firstly, you refer to a solicitor...do you mean a lawyer (advogado)! A solicidor here is merely a conveyancer. A lawyer (barrister) is also a solictor in Portugal.
Secondly Bruxy's comments totally agree with.
Thirdly, you have brought up a very valid question.
There is a list of dangerious dogs in Portugal, but like so many things here nobody seems to know which breeds are on the list.
Very rarely have I seen a dog muzzled out here, but that does not mean to say that there is not a law for such! More so given the amount of stray dogs..one can only but wonder how Portugal enforces such a law
In so far as GS dogs go...nearly every police force and arm services use them and therefore, this breed in total was exempt from the legal regulations in the D.Dogs Act in the UK and I thought most others!Personally, we never take our GS's out into a public place, namely because of the poor strays...i.e. if they were to pack up on our dogs..our dogs would go in and because of their breed...if a disturbance caused no doubt would be blamed and we are not prepared to take that risk.
We live in the heart of the countryside and walk Yogi and Zoe on leads, but have never muzzled them. We keep them on leads,because of sheep and the beautiful people who have nothing better to do than lay poison down. I have also heard cases in urban areas, where they lay it around grass verges and dustbin areas. The animals die in absolute agony.
One of the first jobs we had done...was to fence all our land and gated...Yogi and Zoe are only permitted to eat grass on our land and only leave via car.
I have put a call out with regard your question and as soon I receive a response, I will post it. I.e. I am of course also very interested in what the reply will be.
We are having problems today, it would appear with the server..so my postings will be more scatter........ then ever
Regards
Nightrider
Hi, Bruxhina & nightrider
I very rarely have my dogs on a lead only when near roads or going to the vet, I always drive to our walks because the best walks are some distance away. I see other owners who never let their dogs off the leads, I think it's such a shame mine tear around like loonies trying to catch each other, they wear each other out much faster & have so much fun. They are trained to respond to recall, sit, down, stay, at distance and where introduced to horses, sheep, & cattle, regularly as part of their training. I would hate to have to walk them on a lead all the time let alone muzzled.
I very rarely have my dogs on a lead only when near roads or going to the vet, I always drive to our walks because the best walks are some distance away. I see other owners who never let their dogs off the leads, I think it's such a shame mine tear around like loonies trying to catch each other, they wear each other out much faster & have so much fun. They are trained to respond to recall, sit, down, stay, at distance and where introduced to horses, sheep, & cattle, regularly as part of their training. I would hate to have to walk them on a lead all the time let alone muzzled.
Hi nightrider the firm of lawyer's we use have offices in Lisbon, Faro & Maidenhead & the article was written by a portuguese lawyer.
The following is the section covering dangerous dogs.
Rules Regarding the Keeping of Dangerous Dogs
In Portugal, according to Decree-Law n.° 312/2003, owning a dangerous dog, such as a Pitbull Terrier, a Rottweiler, a German Shepherd, an American Staffordshire terrier, a Staffordshire Bull terrier, a “Dogue Argentino” ???, a “Cao de Fila Brasileiro” ??? a “Tosa Inu” ??? Or a Doberman, requires the following measures.
First of all, in order to comply with the requested licensing and registration at the local Parish (article 4, number 1), owners will have to prove that the animal was microchipped and duly insured with a Civil Liability Insurance (Seguro de Responsabilidade Civil- article 13), and will also have to present their Criminal Record, since it is not allowed for anyone with a criminal record to own this type of breeds (article 3),
Secondly, all owners must have a “dangerous dog” warning sign on their properties so that everyone can be aware of the dog’s presence.
It is also prohibited that these animals circulate freely in all public places, meaning that, when taking one of these dogs for a walk, owners must always carry them on a short leash (up to lm) and with a muzzle. n.°s 1 and 2 of article 8.
Any type of aggression caused by one of these animals, to a person or to another animal, will implicate that the animal be immediately taken away (article 10) and put away by a non-painful method (article 11).
All dangerous dogs’ owners must report any change of address to the local Parish, as well as the animal’s death or disappearance (article 4, number 2). They will also have to submit their pets to a special training, carried out by qualified trainers, so that they can be domesticated.
I wonder how many people are aware of the regulations & how many actually comply, I haven't seen any dogs muzzled when we've been there.
The following is the section covering dangerous dogs.
Rules Regarding the Keeping of Dangerous Dogs
In Portugal, according to Decree-Law n.° 312/2003, owning a dangerous dog, such as a Pitbull Terrier, a Rottweiler, a German Shepherd, an American Staffordshire terrier, a Staffordshire Bull terrier, a “Dogue Argentino” ???, a “Cao de Fila Brasileiro” ??? a “Tosa Inu” ??? Or a Doberman, requires the following measures.
First of all, in order to comply with the requested licensing and registration at the local Parish (article 4, number 1), owners will have to prove that the animal was microchipped and duly insured with a Civil Liability Insurance (Seguro de Responsabilidade Civil- article 13), and will also have to present their Criminal Record, since it is not allowed for anyone with a criminal record to own this type of breeds (article 3),
Secondly, all owners must have a “dangerous dog” warning sign on their properties so that everyone can be aware of the dog’s presence.
It is also prohibited that these animals circulate freely in all public places, meaning that, when taking one of these dogs for a walk, owners must always carry them on a short leash (up to lm) and with a muzzle. n.°s 1 and 2 of article 8.
Any type of aggression caused by one of these animals, to a person or to another animal, will implicate that the animal be immediately taken away (article 10) and put away by a non-painful method (article 11).
All dangerous dogs’ owners must report any change of address to the local Parish, as well as the animal’s death or disappearance (article 4, number 2). They will also have to submit their pets to a special training, carried out by qualified trainers, so that they can be domesticated.
I wonder how many people are aware of the regulations & how many actually comply, I haven't seen any dogs muzzled when we've been there.
Unfortunately Blue, what you describe in the UK doesn't really happen here. I used to love going with my family's GSD for runs off the lead over the countryside. But in the UK there are training schools for these dogs and they are usually very well trained and under control. I have a great picture of about 20 GSDs sitting to attention and not one stirring as a cat walks passed. 
People have dogs like Huskeys here on a balcony as some sort of status symbol. I tried politely to explain to a Portuguese guy I knew, who had one chained up nearly all the day, that they really need a lot of exercise, as they are working dogs and love to run. Unfortunately he didn't listen and I heard that the dog died not long after.
Portuguese people think I am nuts I am sure, when they see my dog and I walking along the lane. To exercise a dog is probably complete madness to them and as I said above, GSD and similar dogs are only normally considered as guard dogs to be put behind big gates and fences, or worse chained up all their lives. They are taught to be aggressive.
I was walking with my dog on a lead in Silves once and she is very well behaved and loves people and kids etc and an old woman said to me "I don't like your dog, she is big and black" (they seem to have this thing about big, black dogs). So, I turned round and said "yer, she don't like you much either"!
By the way, glad to see that you used a decent firm of lawyers. I believe they actually send narratives and proper invoices for their fees.
People have dogs like Huskeys here on a balcony as some sort of status symbol. I tried politely to explain to a Portuguese guy I knew, who had one chained up nearly all the day, that they really need a lot of exercise, as they are working dogs and love to run. Unfortunately he didn't listen and I heard that the dog died not long after.Portuguese people think I am nuts I am sure, when they see my dog and I walking along the lane. To exercise a dog is probably complete madness to them and as I said above, GSD and similar dogs are only normally considered as guard dogs to be put behind big gates and fences, or worse chained up all their lives. They are taught to be aggressive.
I was walking with my dog on a lead in Silves once and she is very well behaved and loves people and kids etc and an old woman said to me "I don't like your dog, she is big and black" (they seem to have this thing about big, black dogs). So, I turned round and said "yer, she don't like you much either"!
By the way, glad to see that you used a decent firm of lawyers. I believe they actually send narratives and proper invoices for their fees.
Last edited by Bruxinha on Fri Nov 11, 2005 11:06 am, edited 1 time in total.
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nightrider
Hi Blue,
As far as our dogs and animals are concerned and the way most treat them in the UK....well out here is a different ball game. I personally would not take the risk of letting them run free as we use to do in the U.K. Many owners have lost their pedigree dogs(and others) never to be seen again.
As Bruxy has said Yogi and Zoe have attended a B.A.G.S. school.. ours run by Police trainers/dog handlers...our dogs are trained and will obey precise orders. But I and I know Bruxy would not take the risk of allowing them to run free...but I have to say in all fairness we own quite a bit of land here, which I have already said is well fenced and gated.
You will find that your dogs for the best part of the year in the Algarve, will crash out in the day and come alive in the evening when you can take them for a walk in the countryside or down on the beach at certain times.
Me personally and I know Bruxy feels the same...we would never take the risk out here with our dogs off leads in any public place.
Nice to see your using a reputable firm of lawyers (who I personally know well)and who are based in Lisboa and UK together with their now Faro office which opened about a year ago. We have sent people to them, who have got themselves into shall we say difficulties.
I know that the prinicipal partner and also members of the firm write in various local rags and also advertises in the UK. What she is quoting of course is legislation and should be adhered to..but all I can say to you is wait and see for yourself how things drift along out here and tell me say after a year what you think.
Still waiting for a reply from my source.....prob..having a five hour lunch
Regards
Nightrider
As far as our dogs and animals are concerned and the way most treat them in the UK....well out here is a different ball game. I personally would not take the risk of letting them run free as we use to do in the U.K. Many owners have lost their pedigree dogs(and others) never to be seen again.
As Bruxy has said Yogi and Zoe have attended a B.A.G.S. school.. ours run by Police trainers/dog handlers...our dogs are trained and will obey precise orders. But I and I know Bruxy would not take the risk of allowing them to run free...but I have to say in all fairness we own quite a bit of land here, which I have already said is well fenced and gated.
You will find that your dogs for the best part of the year in the Algarve, will crash out in the day and come alive in the evening when you can take them for a walk in the countryside or down on the beach at certain times.
Me personally and I know Bruxy feels the same...we would never take the risk out here with our dogs off leads in any public place.
Nice to see your using a reputable firm of lawyers (who I personally know well)and who are based in Lisboa and UK together with their now Faro office which opened about a year ago. We have sent people to them, who have got themselves into shall we say difficulties.
I know that the prinicipal partner and also members of the firm write in various local rags and also advertises in the UK. What she is quoting of course is legislation and should be adhered to..but all I can say to you is wait and see for yourself how things drift along out here and tell me say after a year what you think.
Still waiting for a reply from my source.....prob..having a five hour lunch
Regards
Nightrider
Last edited by nightrider on Tue Nov 08, 2005 4:25 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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nightrider
Well you will just have to come over and walk with us won't you..Nightriderblue wrote:Hi Bruxhina & nightrider,
well what a shame, we will follow your advice of course, our dogs (& cat) mean so much to us that I couldn't bear it if anything happened to them. But I am so going to miss those walks & so will they.
blue (& I am now too)
and dogs of course 
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