Smoking Ban

Gambrinus · Post by **Gambrinus** » Fri Apr 02, 2004 10:49 am

Seen on an office wall:

Please do not smoke in my office:

I enjoy sex a lot more than you enjoy smoking, yet I don´t go shagging away in your office.

Ellie · Post by **Ellie** » Fri Apr 02, 2004 11:18 pm

Forgive me for changing tack here slightly......but looking back over the previous page.....
Digger? Can you explain what this 'reincarnation' thing is about please?
Of whom are you speaking?
Is it reference to that certain 'Loof Lirpa' person

?
can you help me with this one.Im completely puzzled

whats meeting up in 200years about too?.....HELP!

P.S.Big confession here..it didnt dawn on me till late Wednesday..that..Loof Lirpa was April Fool in reverse

(truth)

sue ashurst · Post by **sue ashurst** » Sat Apr 03, 2004 7:23 pm

Alcohol related illness is higher in some parts of the country than cigarette smoking diseases. In my work place nobody has had to throw a sickie because they smoked too much the night before, as opposed to the amount of employees who drank too much and sometimes need a couple of days to recover. I am a non smoker but think that smokers should have some rights, also if everyone stops smoking now where is the money going to come from to fund the NHS etc? I know someone is going to reply that there wouldn't be as many smoking related illnesses, however it would be many years from now before we saw a result.

digger · Post by **digger** » Sat Apr 03, 2004 10:30 pm

ellie

had a feeling about this loof lirpa chappie
(didn’t spot the April fool spelt backwards, well done)
old compadre, new name……….what do you think?

Ellie · Post by **Ellie** » Sat Apr 03, 2004 10:39 pm

Well Digger..I was a bit slow too..with the 'april fool' bit

But yes..i have my suspicions about 'Loof'

.....a guessing game...someone youve maybe ..shared a joke or two with.?...mind you..theres been a couple of those

Got any clues?

digger · Post by **digger** » Sat Apr 03, 2004 10:54 pm

dunno, we’ve seen some terrible windup merchants and some first-rate humour

he's one of us, but cant place him

td · Post by td » Sun Apr 04, 2004 4:18 pm

The Irish ban is the thin end of the Wedge - it will be upon us all very soon and it can't come quick enough for us.

During a recent visit to France (Lille) we watched a TV documentary on the Irish ban and it was clear the idea has met with wide approval. Although the Irish ban has been going a few days the early reports are that it the second best thing that has happened for a long time - after beating England at Twickenham, of course.

Come on Europe take the lead from Ireland and really make a difference.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Sun Apr 04, 2004 5:54 pm

What strikes me

is the amount of clap trap coming from people on this forum who regularly get pissed. If you look at the problems in society most of it is caused by alcohol or other drugs and the tax on cigarettes is funding the NHS - so look closer to home before you start wanting to ban things because it might be a case of better the devil you know. To think our grandfathers fought for freedom and it seems that a lot of whingeing minorities are taking away the freedoms that are rightly ours. And spare me the sermons on smoking being bad for everyones health so is driving a f*****g car whilst yakking into a mobile phone, even worse if you've drunk at least 2 glasses, & cooking a micro meal loaded with E. no's to give to your kids

Give them some fresh veg. sprayed with loads of chems. instead

One thing in life is certain - we're all going to die of something

Nosmo King · Post by **Nosmo King** » Sun Apr 04, 2004 6:13 pm

How do you know we regularly get pissed, we dont need that to talk clap trap?

I don't remember my grandfather telling me he fought so that people could smoke, I think he mentioned a few bigger issues. Actually I remember he clipped me round the ear once when he caught me smoking - did make him a hypocrite?

The only accurate statement you made was that we are all going to die sometime. Ridiculous posts such as yours can only delay things for us cos, to quote the Readers Digest, laughter is the best medicine

MattK · Post by **MattK** » Sun Apr 04, 2004 6:35 pm

guest, I think what you are saying is right. A smoking ban is just another example of the nanny state. Theres so many dangers in this world it is stupid to single out smoking, when no one is actually forced to breathe in smoke.

And yes, our older generations did fight, not so people could smoke, but so they could have the right choose. That is essentially what they were fighting, fascism.

Guest's posts was a very reasonable opinion and I dont think it can be classed as ridiculous.

Matt

Gerry Cullen · Post by **Gerry Cullen** » Mon Apr 05, 2004 3:06 am

don,t be so quick to hijack this post it,s coming to you all sometime and i don,t think your taking in the full consequences

Ellie · Post by **Ellie** » Mon Apr 05, 2004 1:29 pm

The consequencies are..according to todays news headlines..passive smoking is firmly linked to increased risk of death&illness. So when we smoke...we're endangering other's health..particularly our closest/loved ones.
I know folk like me.who were smokers..do 'bleat ' on about it..but I packed up about 16 years ago...and boy did I notice a change in my health...I never realised till then..how out of breath I was getting just walking up slight hills...the smell on your clothes/air ..in the house..wrinkles starting to form round eyes & mouth..skin very pale..but a couple of months after giving up I felt & looked a different person
Give it up for your healths sake..and those around us..especially the young ones (I say this to my daughter regularly..but shes still puffing away

)
Poll vote up to now shows 77% for ban in publice places...23% against
Im not sure about the vote...all I would try to do is urge folk to give it up

.

Debs G · Post by **Debs G** » Mon Apr 05, 2004 1:31 pm

I don't know whether I should be posting this or not but I think rather than ban smoking we should come to some sort of compromise like having smokin areas, and I mean real ones, not token ones. I realise this has been going on in a lot of places but if all places had areas or rooms to smoke in then everyone has their choice and I'm thinking in particular pubs.

I don't want to breathe in other people's smoke either, but I used to be a smoker (for 16 years no less) and gave up as soon as I knew I was having my first child as I did not want any harm to come to him and he will have the right to choose whether or not to smoke when the day comes.

I think both smokers and non-smokers have a right and a valid point of view, so what is the real compromise and will we see one or will we just ban it anyway and face the consequences?

Debs

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Mon Apr 05, 2004 4:05 pm

I would really like to know from this MattK person how one can manage it so that one does not have to breathe in smoke, except by banning smoking from all but designated areas.

And such arrogant nonsense to try to link the actions of our grandfathers fighting for the right for freedom to choose, among other things to smoke, against the dictats of fascism.

If people want to kill themselves by smoking then I am all for it - reminds me bit of Darwanism, but they certainly are not going to affect my health, and I believe that my rights to enjoy a smoke free atmosphere outweigh those weak individuals who are addicted to a killer weed

Matt K · Post by **Matt K** » Mon Apr 05, 2004 5:17 pm

I am all for debating on topics like this, but lets not get petty and resort to petty remarks such as dismissing someones opinion as "arrogant nonsense" and "ridiculous". By all means disagree and let your view be known but these remarks are not called for and it gives your view a personal edge-it sounds as if your more interested in arguing than debating.

I would really like to know from this MattK person how one can manage it so that one does not have to breathe in smoke

As in my last comments, I will repeat that no one forces you to breath smoke. When you go to have a meal or a drink in a public place does someone put a gun to your head and force you to sit by a smoker? fairly sure they dont. Also, health damage caused by passive smoking does not come from 1 hour of breathing in second hand smoke in a bar, it comes from years of breathing in second hand smoke.

And such arrogant nonsense to try to link the actions of our grandfathers fighting for the right for freedom to choose, among other things to smoke, against the dictats of fascism.

How is this arrogant nonsense? WW2, amongst many things, was a esentially the coming together of democracy versus totalitarian facism. Those that faught in that war defended the UK and Europe from a lifestyle where the government controls all aspects of life, where no one has a political voice, and no one is free. Defeating Hitler allowed our system of democracy to continue where people have a voice, are free to hold an opinion etc. So therefore, the citizens of democratic countries like the UK, to a certain extent, have the right to choose how they live their lives-this is free will. rules such as a smoking ban are small in the scheme of things, but it is another govt. policy which takes away our right to choose and adds to the growing status of our nanny state. Having said all that, i do think public places where people have to go e.g. work place, should have a smoking ban, where smokers have their own room to smoke or are forced outside. But places like bars/restaurants should not have this rule as no one is forced to go in there, and no one is forced into the smokers section. I do think what debs G said is correct, compromise is needed- we should have stronger divides in public places for smokers/non smokers. Having a separate room for smokers would be a start.

Smoking Ban

SMOKING

Smoking in Public